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WinT - 13 Feb. 2003 - 04:45:
Question for EVERYONE (Please Read)
Ok. Been thinking about this for a while, and curious to see what everyone's opinion is on it.
I've talked to Plastic about it, he's willing to participate (as much as he can, but was told not to expect to much, and I know he's busy, so understood), and also Spyder and BlackMage were all for it last time I mentioned it to them.
So, I'm referring to the idea of starting either an MSN or Yahoo group, which would serve as a place for us all to go and share eachothers icons and walls.
I need new icons, lot's of other's have mentioned they'de like some new ones, but I'm fresh out. I also would like some new walls, as I've had not much luck lately with finding any that I like.
So, I thought that I, or any one of us could start up a little group like that, make it private, exclusive to VP members, and upload all the stuff we have, or some of it at least. I know the space is limited to usuallly 50megs on MSN and Yahoo, but as the group fills up, if it does, we simply open up a new one. Version 2, 3, etc...
Anyway, I just thought it'd be something new to do, somewhere we could go to browse through thumnails of walls, and icons, pick what we want, and download it. Uploading is easy with the groups, nothing to that at all, and the only thing bad, is for dialup users (most of us) it would be time consuming to upload all that we have.
So, we could either do that if willing, or just share some maybe. The stuff we really think others would like. Also, even though we'de never use it, there's a message board included with the group as well.
Anyway, I mainly just wanted pretty much a vote I guess, as to who would like to have it, who wouldn't, and who doesn't care either way. Who would be willing to participate, and so on. I know Plastic, Spyder, and BlackMage will join, not sure about the rest of you, and would like to know.
We could also upload countless other things as well. Toolbar bitmaps, skins that anyone of you make, etc..etc..etc.. Just sounds fun to me, would like to do it, and would love to have you all involved.
Let me know what you think.
13 Feb. 2003 - 04:54
Explicit
13 Feb. 2003 - 05:01
grindlestone
Well it sounds like a good idea if someone is prepared to do the maintenance/set up etc. I just checked with my isp and upload counts against my download quota - so there's something extra there to watch out for and I won't be putting up my entire wallpaper folder. Sounds good though.
13 Feb. 2003 - 05:18
twisted_steel
This is the next vital step towards world domination

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I think it's a great idea.
13 Feb. 2003 - 05:32
WinT
"This is the next vital step towards world domination" LOL. Excellent quote man.
Grindlestone, I understand you're situation with the ISP, and certainly don't expect you, or anyone else to literally upload EVERYTHING they've got. Just something, or nothing at all. I don't mind either way.
If just a few of us upload a little bit, that will be a nice selection. Everyone on here has great taste and style, so we could all really benefit I think.
Maintenance and setup is not bad with these groups. It's all pretty much done for you ya know? You answer the questions online, and bam, the group is created.
I also wanted to know if anyone had a preference where to use MSN or Yahoo? If we go private, MSN will have the whole .Net passport thing you have to do, which, isn't hard or time consuming at all, but it's something.
Yahoo on the other hand, you just join the group. That's it. One page, one button, nothing to it.
I do prefer MSN myself though. Looks better, cleaner, more organized, but I'm game for either one.

13 Feb. 2003 - 06:16
vvraith
Im down with it. I've got some walls definitely and I'm nearing completetion on my first real icon set (I'm so slow).
13 Feb. 2003 - 07:08
WinT
Outstanding. So you're doing some icons you say Wraith? That's what I'm talking about right there. I'm thinking this could be a good thing.

13 Feb. 2003 - 07:40
Apocalypse
I think that is a great idea. I have tons of really nice Walls I could share

I say we make an MSN group as I'm more familiar with those

13 Feb. 2003 - 07:45
grindlestone
My vote is with Yahoo. I'm not much happy with the whole passport thing.
13 Feb. 2003 - 08:35
WinT
Well guys, I tell you, my hopes have really been shot down. Here's the deal...
I went on a trial run by creating a group at MSN, and also tried to create one at Yahoo. Yahoo was all messed up for some reason. I created a new account, verified the email address, the works. Then, I'de go through the process of creating the group, and it would tell me that the group had been created, then, I'de hit the "Customize your group" button to go look at it, work with it, and it kept saying over and over that the very same group I just created DID NOT exist. I've yet to have better luck with them up to this point so far.
MSN, on the other end, was of no trouble at all. Nice group, easy to create and manage, and even had an upload tool for automatic download (if you wanted to) that would upload any amount of files/images with one click of the mouse. Nice little feature, BUT, they only alow 3 megs of space!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's ALL. To get 30 megs, they want 19.95. So, I know I said 50 megs up there, but must have been confused wtih prohosting, as they do allow 50 megs, free of charge.
Yahoo storage? Not sure of the amount, but I'm sure it can't be much more then MSN. Also, when you upload an image to MSN, it downsizes it, and doesn't give an option to upload it in it's original size. So, you right click and save it, but get a small version of the image.
So, I'm thinking the group thing is OUT, unfortunately, and that saddens me greatly as I really did want to do this so bad. I was really looking forward to it.
Unless any of you have any other suggestions, and I'm up for any and all, I'm thinking of maybe using Prohosting? Could that work you think?
50 megs of storage, all is free, no pop ups, one ad banner at the top. What I hate about this is the whole HTML thing. I don't know the first thing about it AT ALL I' ve only used my account for screenshots, that's it. It doesn't even have a homepage.

Nothing to it at all.
So, if someone wants to jump in and help out with this, I'de be gratefull, or if someone can think of a better "group" style of place that we could go to besides Yahoo and MSN, that would be nice as well.
I'm really trying to make this work, but 3 megs just isn't gonna cut it at all, plus, a downsized image? That's not good at all, and serves no purpose whatsoever.
Must be something better, has to be.
13 Feb. 2003 - 13:19
grindlestone
Thanks for all the energy WinT. Guess there's no free lunch eh? Something will turn up. The Prohosting idea sounds good, though I know nothing about them.
13 Feb. 2003 - 16:48
pogz
Hey, I'll donate 75 mb of space from my hosting account; it's got no ads and is pretty fast. I could provide a public ftp password to upload etc.
13 Feb. 2003 - 16:53
MediaLeft
Yeh and FTP would be nice.
13 Feb. 2003 - 19:09
integer
I can help out with hosting too if needed - just give me a shout...
13 Feb. 2003 - 19:24
WinT
Thanks Pogz!!! and Integer for the hosting offers, thank you so much. That sounds much better.
Ok, so now, to work things out a bit, or ask about them actually.

Would it be possible to have a small, descent looking front-end to all of this?
Just a simple, main page that requires hardly any work, which would have links on it to galleries. One for walls, one for icons, etc... Then, when clicked on, we'de have the luxury of thumbnail browseing the content.
Basically, I'm trying to aviod an actual website, not because I'm against the idea of it, I just wouldn't know how to keep one up!

No HTML for me. Pogz I know is an expert with it, but he has Modzine, school, and countless other things going on, and I'm not about to suggest or hint towards him designing pages, etc...
Could anyone here, that has the time, just make a quick little page for this thing? Is that even needed? I'm just trying to keep it as minimal as possible, so that I, or no one else has to ever fool with it. Should certainly be something that is fully functional, on it's own, 24/7, without fail.
Don't get me wrong, I don't mind working with it, or on it, but just don't know much about that sort of thing.
So, the offers for hosting are outstanding, appreciated, and excepted. Just let me know where we have to go from here.
13 Feb. 2003 - 20:10
Explicit
I know you can easy do a tumbnail display that dinamically updates with PHP... And just a front page with links to the sections and a tumnail page for each would work. I just don't know any php... I'm sure someone here knows how to work with PHP and you can even just get a script to use from some PHP site!
13 Feb. 2003 - 20:26
piaqt
I may be able to get a php script that lists the contents of a webdirectory, with downloadable links. otta search for it, tyhough.
Didn't read the responses, but from what I heard, it doesn't sound like my style.
13 Feb. 2003 - 20:38
Blackmage
*Raises hand for the maintaining part of the website if there is one*
It's about time you brought this up, WinT! Hehe. I think MSN and Yahoo are about the same in terms of size, Yahoo has about 24MB. Getting more comes at a price.
The FTP is a great idea, and it offers better speeds (or so I've noiticed) not just because there isn't 2-3 extra servers to go through, but noticably faster from less users. There are not to many of us to access it all at the same time, also.
13 Feb. 2003 - 21:13
WinT
Thanks for the good responses and offers of help guys, I really appreciate it. BlackMage, would love to have you help out on this since you raised your hand!

The offer is graciously excepted.
So now, I'm thinking we should take Pogz up on his offer, Integer too. My basic idea here is to have one page, nothing fancy or hard to maintain/create, maybe section the content into categories, especially the walls, be able to thumbnail browse, then, when we click on an image to dowload it, it links directly to the FTP, and down the pipe it comes.
I'm hoping it can work like that, as it would be the easiest. Thing is, I'll come out right now and say with utter honesty, that I haven't a clue how to go about creating anything. If someone can/will create the page, we're good to go. I'm willing to upload every single wall and icon set that I have, and that's how I can make up for my lack of knowledge on creating the page itself, pure content. I'm willing to make sure it stays active, and is active at all times. If I run across a new icon set or wall, I'll download it, then upload it to the FTP, without fail. So, once again, if someone can just make this frontend page, make the links work, we're good. How easy can we make uploading? Will it have to be one thing at a time?
Pogz, let me know what you think, especially about Explicit and Piaqt's ideas on the PHP thing. Integer, let us know what you are willing/able to do as well. The more space, the better.

and thanks again guys, we just might make this a reality at this rate of enthusiasm.

13 Feb. 2003 - 21:22
Explicit
I raise my hand too. Only my left hand because the right arm got tired. I can make a front end page but I don't kow php, so the best I could do is put the script in the source...
13 Feb. 2003 - 21:27
WinT
Thanks Explicit.

Everyone can be involved on this. When I had the MSN group set up last night, it was set to where everyone owned the group. Total control over everything, and that's how I liked it.
This site shouldn't really have "admins" or anything like that. We all should able to do the same things, anytime, without the need for special passwords, etc...
My goal here is to simply have a database from which we all can obtain items of any type related to desktop customization that we don't already have.
So, it's a site I guess, but not really.

Everyone's an admin, everyone can add and take away, or whatever they might want to do.
But, I most certainly do appreciate the offers of assistance to put it up though from everyone, as they're will be certain people here that actually put it up, and others that will host it. So, all help is invited, and needed, especially by me, since I have no clue what it is that I'm doing!

LOL
13 Feb. 2003 - 21:32
Explicit
Yea. I really like this idea. The only problem I can find is jackasses who will upload porn or something. We'll have to have a group agreement that if porn/warez/whatever ever gets in that someone will remove it. Kindof a good samaritan thing.
13 Feb. 2003 - 22:06
integer
What did you have in mind for the site - password protected? Real life is biting me in the ass at the moment, otherwise I could have coded a simple site with basic galleries. perhaps password protected would keep the bandwidth down? Just thinking out loud really - i like this idea and might be able to squeeze some time to code this up. If not, ive got plenty of space/bandwidth to help hosting...
13 Feb. 2003 - 22:44
Explicit
Well.
Password protection only brings down the level of trust. And I know it is the ineternet and you can't trust every one. But maybe we'll keep the password for the ftp close to home so that only people who really have a purpose with the gallery can upload stuff. I don't mean like only 2 people have the pass and you have to go around them to get stuff uploaded but rather something like this.
If you see content that shouldn't be there you delete it. You can pretty much only trust your self on the internet because you never know but locking it up to the hilt only limits the amount people want to use it. So I think it should be more less a group thing and not a world wide thing, meaning, it's on the net but you don't go around plugging it on all the forums and irc channels. I don't know... All the locks and guards only keep the honest people out.
13 Feb. 2003 - 22:56
WinT
Integer, if you can find the time, and don't mind, by all means, go ahead and code the page. It would be very appreciated, and thanks for offering/mentioning.
On the issue of porn, etc... I'm not sure how to handle that. I would hope that it being a VP member thing only, not being advertised on forums/irc channels, search engines, etc... would be enough, but it might not be.
But I can't stress it enough, that I want this to be ultimate open access to everyone that wants to use it. A password type of protection does sound good, but only if using of course, one universal password, enter it once, and you're at the site. So, that way, you wouldn't have to enter a pass to get on the site itself, then one to upload, then another to download, and so on. Just one password.
And again, and I want everyone that comes to have total control over the site, and be able to access anything they may need. I think the level of trust between all of us should be at it's highest, but, when you think about it, I guess really the only concern we have is the uploading of porn, and other non-related items to the site.
But, if the people who want to do that, can't find it, don't know about it, or don't have the password, I guess it shouldn't be to large of a concern? Am I wrong?

I probably am.
So, either way, I'm all for no password, or, having a password. Either way is fine by me. I just want to make this happen, make it safe, and reliable. So whatever it might take to accomplish that is fine by me.
You guys know way more then I do about web design, setting up sites, FTP's, etc... So, I'm following all of you now.
So, let's make it happen.

13 Feb. 2003 - 23:16
grindlestone
If Pogz has space for us that's great. You know I like the idea of it just being an ftp space without a web front end. It'd mean no thumbnails but I think we'd all know what we were looking for when we went there because it would all be related to converstaions we were having in VP and elsewhere. Then, if we just kept the actuall address a secret amonst ourselves we wouldn't have to worry about vandals and pornographers and so on. Might not be workable but its a thought...
14 Feb. 2003 - 00:32
pogz
It's set up. Feel free to create new directories and add files (I would make a new folder for every file uploaded so you can include descriptions, screenshots, etc in there...). The rules are no adult crap or illegal stuff.
X, info below..
I'll probably remove that later, since it will travel by word of mouth or something. WinT, start making rules and stuff

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14 Feb. 2003 - 00:38
Explicit
Strange. I can't seem to login?
14 Feb. 2003 - 00:57
WinT
Pogz, you are the man!

Thanks, I really appreciate it.
GrindleStone, here's the deal with your idea. If it were all zip files and exe's, a straight FTP would be just fine, but we're talking about wallpapers here too.
I think we should be able to see what we're downloading don't you? For walls anyway. I'de like to have screenshots, small ones, for icon sets as well, but not as needed as the shots for walls.
I don't mind downloading walls that I don't know what they are, BUT, would prefer seeing them first, as it saves me time, bandwidth time, the works.
Glad you're in though, and if you can think of another way, please feel free to express it. I'm with you on the idea already, just have a preference, that's all.

14 Feb. 2003 - 00:59
Explicit
I like the thumbnail idea too, because it's wallpapers etc...
14 Feb. 2003 - 01:02
Blackmage
hey, i might have somthing a little less troubling (and confusing) is to basicly make a folder with your username here on VP, then make subdirs for screenshots, icons, etc, and stick a text file in each describing the files inside.
14 Feb. 2003 - 01:15
Explicit
Ever heard the saying a picture can say a thousand words. I don't plan on writting a thousand words for each image.

14 Feb. 2003 - 01:38
grindlestone
I take all you points about the thumbnails for the walls. I was really just wondering out load if we would have that many walls to make thumbs really necessary. We can't have that many up there 'cause its only 75 mb and I had an idea that we'd all pretty much know what file we were looking for because we'd have seen it down here or at modzine in someone's ss. For the record though: _I am not opposed in anyway to having thumbnails _at all_ I'm just thinking of saving someone coding work and maintenance that's all.
How about this. If, as Pogz says we can make directories for ourselves (is that right?) why doesn't every one just upload their walls and some little thumbs like this: "xxwall.jpg" and "xxwallthumb.jpg" and then we'd just d'load the thumb to see if the big file was the one we wanted. We'd know what we were looking at because the filenames would reveal all.
I'm off to have a look in the "share"!
14 Feb. 2003 - 01:54
grindlestone
Hmm don't seem to be able to get in there...
14 Feb. 2003 - 01:59
pogz
Maybe WinT's hogging all the action?
I'm sorry I screwed it up:
ftp.pogrelz.com/
user: share at pogrelz dot com
pass: blue13
That should work.
14 Feb. 2003 - 03:08
WinT
Ok, it's working for me Pogz. I'm having to use CuteFTP at the moment cause during all my IE menu hacking, I erased the FTP options!
Ok, little update here. Blackmage has offered to make a homepage for the FTP, using HTML. Something simple, quick, easy, and to the point.
Pogz however informs me that PHP will be needed for all other things, and BlackMage unfortunately doesn't know PHP, so, now we need a PHP guy.
Integer, you mentioned the possiblility of avialability of this, and if you can do it man, would be greatly appreciated. BlackMage said he'd love to work with you on it, or if that can't happen due to schedules and such, he'll create the homepage, then you could take it from there.
This is my goal with the front end page. HOpefully, if all this can be done, I'de like to first and foremost be able to access everything direct from the net. Go to the front end/homepage, login using the same info Pogz gave, and be good to go.
From there, on the same page, would be the links to the galleries. Wallpapers, Icons, etc...
We can either throw all the walls into one big directory, different user directories, or different categories such as Abstract, Anime, etc... I'm not picky on that by any means. Either way is fine.
I'm assuming that PHP would work out like MOdzine is. You upload a shot there, and it automatically has a thumbnail created for it. Hopefully, that would be the case.
So, I'm thinkng it should be pretty clear now as to what the goal is, and hopefully, it can be done. Integer, please let me know what you can do, and if you can't find time, don't worry about it. It's on Pogz list ot things to do as well, but Modzine comes first for him, and that's completely understandable, and should be no other way.
So, Blackmage has the homepage, and hopefully, Integer, or someone can step in and make everything work off of it.
thanks again everyone.

14 Feb. 2003 - 03:34
Blackmage
Okay, I thought of an idea, kinda. What I was figuring, is we would have a few links at the top, pointing to User Galleries, Main Page, and an Email page.
The galleries page would have links to everyone's main folder on the FTP space. They would be sorted in alphabetical order, and would NOT have updated remarks on them, because it is almost impossible to achieve this without some sort of more advanced code.
The main page would have a basic intro, and a link to the FTP.
Now, the Email page would mostly be to email me notifying me to adding your link to the list or other info.
Galleries Page:
Now, IMO, for the easiest way for this to work, is to simply do much of it 'yourself', meaning that you will make your own user folder in what name you want, and uploading things in the right folders. I would suggest very basic folders, like Wallpapers, Icons, Skins, Etc. and have a text file inside of each of the folders describing the files inside of it.
Basicly, it'd be this:
/
V
/Blackmage
V
/Blackmage/Wallpapers/
kultdesign.jpg
coffee.jpg
Description.txt
Something like that. Obviously, though, it's not my FTP to run. I just think it'd be easier so that there would not be countless amounts of time getting all of the folder names correct. Basicly, the quick links could be like this:
Blackmage
Icons Wallpapers Screenshots Skins
Now, let's say I don't have any skins to share. To make the format easier, all of the sections would be there, just not linked.
I don't think Applications should be on the FTP per se, because then we might start turning into a warez thing, which we don't want, obviously.
And that's the end!
14 Feb. 2003 - 09:57
WinT
Ok guys, all of my walls have been uploaded to the FTP. Figured since I stirred this thing up, the least I could do would be to upload like I said I would.
Anyway, since I recieved this new system some weeks ago, of course, having done a completely new installation of 98, I've kept it pretty minimal on walls. I'm not downloading every single one that I see like I used to. Can't seem to find many that I like, being the whole reason behind this FTP/website thing.
So, in all, I guess all of my walls combined took up a total of no more then 3 megs of space.

Quite a few walls in there, don't get me wrong, but, they're al in 1024X768, and most are minimal compared to what I used to have on the drive. So, lot's of walls, just not lots of space taken up, and that's good too seeing is how it leaves plenty of room left for others to upload. If I find good walls at DA, and other sites, I'll upload them there as well to add on to the collection.
I seperated them up. Put them in a directory called "WinT's Walls", then categorized them into two seperate subdirectories... "Abstract" and "Anime". So, download them at will.
Now, for icons, I left that alone tonight, as sleep is calling, and also, I'm not sure which sets to upload. I've got tons of icons, well over 100 megs worth at the moment, and I know all of you do as well. Of course, you can take away the Block OS sets, and other standards that we all have, but, still, quite a few left.
So, rather then uploading my whole stash, which takes up more space than we have to work with, I'de rather take a vote on this as well, maybe even request? I don't know.
Should we all just upload selected sets? Every set we've got? Or take request. As the request come in, we see if we have it, if so, we upload, if not, we don't. I'de rather be able to upload everything regardless, but just don't have the space. So, give me some ideas on this as well guys, as they are needed.
Also, I know BlackMage doesn't like the idea of apps being on the site, and I agree with his reasons, BUT, it is something I ponder on. I've got every app imaginable for customization/tweaking on my drive, categorized into sections. If nothing else, if someone needs an app, we can upload it to the FTP, although, email is as good I guess.
Hmm, I don't know. I'de hate for it to stick to just walls, but if so, then so be it. I hate that there's no thumnails still, that just really gets to me, but, maybe in the near future.
So, let me know what you guys think should be done, could be done, etc... ideas, suggestions, anything. Especially concerning the icon uploading.
14 Feb. 2003 - 13:53
grindlestone
Yay it's working! I've made a little dir called "grindlestone" and put my martlett files in it.
14 Feb. 2003 - 18:41
Explicit
How about this WinT if someone requests an app, you upload it to a temp folder. Then after however many days you delete the app?
Oh yea and:
I was thinking more like the PHP code makes the thumbnail, not the user.
Maybe try here:
http://www.oxyscripts.com/
14 Feb. 2003 - 19:57
integer
As far as me coding something goes, my time restraints would stop me getting anything done for quite a while. If you guys wanna go ahead with something, I can still offer hosting. In 4 or 5 months time im gonna have a load more free time - if you still want something done then just gimmee a shout, but im afraid i'd be spreading myself too thin to do one now.
Let me know if theres anything I can do
14 Feb. 2003 - 20:09
Blackmage
I was thinking about the request thing, is to just do some kind of print-out list of your app dir, and slap it in a text file.
This way, as with me, I can print out all of my apps and icons so we don't have overlaps (ie 3+ sets of the same ICONFACTORY icons isn't too much extra space, but it makes it easier so you don't worry about having the wrong icon set.
Since today is a friday, I can probably slap out a quick format page, with an example of two or so examples of how the galleries would look. I can link directly to the FTP dirs, I found, but I haven't seen how to do it with a specific username (Apparenty if you use it like a normal link, it logs you in as anonymous. I don't know how to do a specific username and password... yet.)
14 Feb. 2003 - 22:26
WinT
Well, we seem to be in buisness guys. I just downloaded Grindlestone's "ShinterLike" marlett.ttf file, and Explicits walls. Nice walls too, and that's what makes this thing worth while. 2 walls that I've never seen, and didn't have to search for 'em.
Grindlestone, is the Shinter Like marlett the same one you put up for download in the "Showing Off" forum?
Blackmage, I'm liking your idea on the icon's thing, sounds good to me,but still dealing with the fact that even if we see the directory trees of the icons, actually knowing what they are will still be hard to do. I say this because I know i want and need some new icons, but I wouldn't have a clue as to the names of the sets ya know? I know what sets I have, but not what all of you guys have. So, to give a name of the set is fine, but still don't know what they are.

We need thumbnails so bad!

LOL
Integer, thanks for offereing the hosting still, and I understand about real-life getting to you, keeping you busy. We'll try to get something going before you become available, but if no luck comes to us before you're free, would love to have you put something together. On the hosting part of the deal, we've got 75 megs now with Pogz, and not close to filling that up, but the more space, obviously the better.

So, if we added your space, how would that work out? Would it be 2 FTP's? I'm just trying to figure out how the two would work together, no big deal either way, cause, as said, the more the better.

Thanks for that offer, and it is excepted. Just let us know where the space is at, how to access it, etc...
Explicit, I'l likeing your idea on app request, and it's made me really think about doing an "inventory" ya know? Sort of what Blackmage was leaning towards on the icons. I'm thinking I could make a text file with the names of all my apps, and upload that, or could post the apps here in a message, which is probably what I'de do, and could take request from here. I've got tons of apps, tons of them, all zipped up, ready to go.
I'm gonna check that link you posted up as well, and thanks for that. Pogz verified that PHP is needed, and is the way to go for thumbnails, so, I'll check it out.
Thanks again everyone.
14 Feb. 2003 - 22:39
Explicit
Okay so Blackmage. You want every one to do a text file for each folder they have and then you'll link to the folder? I'm kindof lost, hehe.
14 Feb. 2003 - 23:35
Blackmage
Explicit: The text file would mainly be for the icon sets, or app requests, simply for space saving.
(Also, I may not have that webpage up as of yet, it's valentines day and... well... you know...)
14 Feb. 2003 - 23:42
Explicit
15 Feb. 2003 - 00:59
grindlestone
WinT that "shinterlike" marlett is the same as he used in that screenshot that got everyone going a couple of weeks ago. As soon as I looked inside marlett I saw what he had done and did the same.
15 Feb. 2003 - 01:16
vvraith
15 Feb. 2003 - 01:17
WinT
Ah, I see. Well, I haven't put it to use yet, but shall, as I remember that Shinter shot, and liked his caption buttons.

15 Feb. 2003 - 01:34
WinT
Wraith, thanks for creating the group man. Now that's the best yet, it's only 30 megs, which sucks, but, I joined the group, uploaded one wall. Automatically, a thumbnail is created, and you click on full size, and there you go. Full size image, right there to dowload. The easiest way by far.
If we all created groups, storage would actually be unlimited. Just simply continue to create groups. I like the name that Wraith gave to his too, being "WinArt". So, we could have Winart2, and winart3, etc...
Not sure what you guys think, but I like this. Everything is done for you, no hassle, don't have to ask busy people like Pogz and Integer for favors, and so on. Gives those guys a break, and let's us get on with everything.
Well, everyone go to the group if you can, join it. Message board is there, and also a nice little built in chat feature.

15 Feb. 2003 - 01:55
WinT
Guys, I don't know what the damn deal is here, but Yahoo is really beginning to irritate me.
Ok, I sign in, click on "Start A Group", and I go through the 3 step process. I put it in the right category, and I name it WinArt-2. It accepts that, and on the final page it tells me that my new group "WinArt-2" HAS BEEN CREATED.
Then, I get the URL of the group to click on if I want, or, I can click on a button that says Customize My Group, which is what I do, and then it tells me that the damn group doesn't exist. It does this over and over, and over. I've tried signing in under different account names, I've even made a new account just for testing too.
My email address has been veirfied on all accounts, everything is normal, and good to go. What is the problem? Any ideas anyone?
Wraith, am I missing something here? What's the deal?
Damn Yahoo.

15 Feb. 2003 - 02:51
WinT
Ok. All of my walls are uploaded to the Yahoo group, complete with thumbnails, and the ability to download the full size image. go join guys, have a look at least, then upload if you can/will.

Still a lot of space left.
15 Feb. 2003 - 03:54
WinT
Ah well, I deleted them. After talking to BlackMage in IRC, he felt that we deserved better then a Yahoo group, and really wanted to do the front page for the FTP, so I agreed.
My goal from the beginning of this idea was to have nothing more then a place to share our stuff, anything we wanted to share ya know? Walls, icons, apps, skins, etc... and I did NOT want to have to bother anyone with anything. That's why I aimed at the Yahoo groups, or MSN groups. It's so easy, and all done for you. Create the group, and go, that's it. Thumbnails done for you, full size ready to download on images, files sections, message board and live chat built in, the works.
So, summed up, I didn't want to have to ask anyone for any sort of help on this. It was my idea, and if anything is gonna be coded, or created, I should be the one doing the work, but, unfortunately, I don't know how.
BlackMage assures me though that it's time for him to put his HTML skills to use, and that he REALLY wants to do this. I think he's looking for a more personal touch, that can really belong to us, and I like that as well, and hope it turns out like that, but I just don't want to trouble anyone for anything ya know?
So, I guess the group thing is out unless there's a mass voteing that supports favor for it, but until then, it's FTP all the way.

15 Feb. 2003 - 22:54
integer
FTP:
Host Name: skinnables.org
UserID: vpgroup
Password: tweakit
no size limits set atm - i'll let you know if it gets too much, but I cant see it being a problem

15 Feb. 2003 - 23:22
WinT
Thanks Integer. Your efforts are greatly appreciate. Man, between Pogz and Integer, this thing just might take off.
Thanks again Integer, thanks alot.

16 Feb. 2003 - 01:43
Explicit
Yea thanks alot man. This thing is going really well, now all we need is pretty face from Blackmage and were set!
16 Feb. 2003 - 06:27
Blackmage
Blackmagic? What the...
*Goes back to reading "Brushing up on HTML and good ways to delay to make yourself look busy*

17 Feb. 2003 - 12:04
WinT
Integer, just checked the FTP you provided, and found the text file that says "So, where are the icons and wallpapers? " LOL
We're still in debate over everything here, especially the icons. I'm not sure what to upload ya know? I don't know what everyone else has either, nor do they know what I have. I'de hate to upload sets that everyone already has.
Hmm, I don't know, just don't know how to go about that. But, I would like to see more activity at both FTP's. I wish more VP members would get involved.
Oh well, one can try right?
17 Feb. 2003 - 13:49
Blackmage
I was thinking of doing a kind of mass list of icon requests, as in, everyone who was willing to do so could put thier icon list (folders only) in a text file and put it on the FTP, then we could sort everything out from there. Also, it'd be the folder they are stored in, or the name of the set I suppose.
Also, a little side question, does anyone know an easy way of extracting all of the icons from an Icon Library? It's easy to select an icon from it, yes, but it's more efficiant and easier to me if I can put them in thier own folder. I think IPhile does it, or will at least read them and put them to a theme...
17 Feb. 2003 - 14:25
WinT
Blackmage, there's a ton of apps that do that I think. They're called Resource grabbers, (I think), or that might be the name of one particular app that does it. I haven't used one in a while, but I used to use them to suck icons out of
dll's and ICL packs.
Seems like there was one called Icon Scanner? Something like that. Easily searchable using google though, not hard to find at all.
I'm likeing the icon list idea too. I'll get to work on my list.
17 Feb. 2003 - 15:04
plastic
17 Feb. 2003 - 19:02
spyder
winT, it was me who put that porgram there, and the text file
the app is a shell extension when you enable it and right-click on a folder it shows you the size of it. pretty cool

18 Feb. 2003 - 00:01
WinT
Oh, it was you Spyder? I had no idea.

Well, Integer still probably deserved an explanation as to why his generously offered space wasn't being used yet.
I downloaded that shell extension too, pretty nice to have. Thanks for putting it up.
18 Feb. 2003 - 01:05
spyder
sure winT
And thanks to piaqt for the ekubo icons(great set)
18 Feb. 2003 - 05:12
sardaukar_siet
A Yahoo! Group would be very nice! Make it happen.

18 Feb. 2003 - 13:38
Blackmage
sardauker_siet: We already have two FTP spots created... Did you read the whole thread?
18 Feb. 2003 - 21:48
integer
Don't feel like you have to use the space just because it's there

It would probably be best to have everything in one ftp until the limit is reached, then start on the next one. Seeing as pogz got his up and running first, it would make sense to carry on with that, and use the skinnables one as an overflow. Glad to see this going places - just shout if i can do anything else

19 Feb. 2003 - 00:27
WinT
Thanks for that Integer, as using Pogz first, then overflowing to skinnables is surely the best way. Thanks again for all of your help.

19 Feb. 2003 - 03:05
undefined
Thanks for the FTPs integer and pogrelz!
I compressed the Ekubo icons to a cab and put it on the FTP (downloading a ton of individual icons just didn't cut it).
I guess I'll be off to Pogrelz' ftp now...
19 Feb. 2003 - 03:56
WinT
Thanks undefined for uploading. I'm off to grab them now!

19 Feb. 2003 - 04:03
WinT
Now see, that's what I'm talking about. I just downloaded those icons, a huge set for sure, and I didn't have them at all. I've never even seen them I don't believe. Thanks again Undefined.
20 Feb. 2003 - 19:11
piaqt
Undefined et al: Forgot to compress the ekubo icons. Sorry, and thanks for correcting my error. (I just uploaded the folder w/o thinking.)
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