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grindlestone - 11 Feb. 2003 - 05:51:

Help! An old XP skinning thread

A little while before VP was updated there was a thread that devolved into a ?discussion? on the best way of skinning/theme-ing windows. Someone posted an opinion that XP and the new msstyles (I think) was the best because it had a minimal performance hit. Said poster then explained the best way of doing a basic style which involved creating an msstyle (I think!) based on the ?classic? theme and then just changing a few simple things like min, max, close buttons etc., essentially to get an eppie like effect in XP. I?m interested in this and hope the poster can tell us again how they got the classic theme into an msstyle in the first place. Was it with style builder or is there a better way? Or am I wrong and it wasn?t an msstyle at all?

Here?s hoping.
 
11 Feb. 2003 - 17:05 twentythree
Style XP is what I use to skin XP, but it is Shareware so you will eventually have to "pay" for it, I am not sure how and when they make you pay whether it is after using it so many times or after so many days.

This is something I found on Customize.org

http://www.customize.org/forum/4437

Might be useful.
 
11 Feb. 2003 - 21:42 grindlestone
Thanks but I already have all this stuff and have done the whole Uxtheme.dll thing (though I'm interested in how scared some people are at changing the odd system file! - they'd have a heart attack 'round here...) No what I was looking for was a set of instructions for easily setting up a "classic" msstyle that you could then hack about to make into a modded classic look like most of us do here, rather than the full on makeover that most skinners seem to do.

Still hoping.
 
11 Feb. 2003 - 22:16 plastic
There's no option to load classic look in stylebuilder. There's a "Bgtype" property for some general parts you can change from ImageFile to Borderfill. Useful for some small controls, but won't get you classic look displayed, I think.

You could recreate classic look, it would make for a very light theme (bitmaps with only few colors). Then again, it's kinda weird doing that, why not build a lightweight theme with your own look then. Basically, for a minimal performance hit, keep colors used low, and try to use same images for a couple of things (window frame, taskbar hovers and such).
 
11 Feb. 2003 - 22:17 twentythree
Ahhh, rather than using a skin suite, using things like Eppie, T-Clock2 and 3DCC to just change things in a 98 or 2K classic appearance, rather than change the whole GUI? But the XP equivalant.

I see what you mean now, I think I was totally barking up the wrong tree :(
 
12 Feb. 2003 - 00:05 grindlestone
Thanks all.

The idea is to build a very light theme with just a touch of modding. If fact, rather like what I have now in win2k but with a few changes. I'd like a gradient on the task bar and a full height start button, and different control buttons on windows and so on. A lot of the extra effects that you can have are just not required IMO. I guess I'll just have to make it up in the traditional manner. Hope I can learn how to do that in stylebuilder before my trial runs out!
 
12 Feb. 2003 - 00:13 pogz
Hah, I'll be held responsible for that post :). You've basically got the idea; the thing with the Windows GUI is it is almost completely "chrome" squares with a bevel - so you could make a theme out of one small bitmap (I know there'd be a few things to modify, but...) with "stretch points" (dunno the correct jargon there...). You really can't take my word on much of this, but I'm going to try it right now and report back to you. :)
 
12 Feb. 2003 - 00:16 grindlestone
I'm both confused and curious!
 
12 Feb. 2003 - 00:49 pogz
Dang, I forgot the pressed states :(. It would be a little harder then :(. Maybe there's still a theme out there that's minimal enough to be altered (plastic's comes to mind, it could be desaturated or whatever).
 
12 Feb. 2003 - 01:55 grindlestone
Hmm, maybe Plastic should release his style as an "essential" VP accessory!?
 
12 Feb. 2003 - 02:05 plastic
Buggy thing, though I still run it. I'm actually working a bit on it to improve it lately, I'm the one person in the world that registered stylebuilder since a week ;). Anyway, it's at skinbase - where else ;) - if anyone wants it: http://www.skinbase.org/rate.php?id=3443

I'm removing all the stupid gradients, hover bugs for startmenu/taskbar, replacing startbutton and some more atm. But even with the stylebuilder it's a hard to grasp format...
 
12 Feb. 2003 - 03:38 grindlestone
Well this is a nice surprise. Thanks Plastic!
 
12 Feb. 2003 - 18:20 twisted_steel
Plastic:

What resolution are you running your theme at? I am at 1024x768 and the bold font in my Start menu looks squished :(. My battery gauge that looks fine in the normal XP theme, as well as the classic does as well. Any ideas why this happens?

Here are some screenshots.

Thanks :).
 
12 Feb. 2003 - 18:49 twisted_steel
It seems my battery gauge is gradually adjusting to the theme :P. It is now fine vertically, but squished horizontally. Perhaps in an hour or so, it will be back to normal.

( crosses fingers )

Looks like I might have to modify the weather monitor's background to match the colors - the snowman looks a little out of place :).
 
12 Feb. 2003 - 18:50 plastic
One of the first things I did when starting that theme, more than a year ago, was unchecking all fontsubstitute values, and replace font settings with my everloved Haettenschweiler. Stupid, and really no need to, as it's controlled centrally, plus then users have a fontchoice still... so, I broke that, and stylebuilder doesn't let me check those checkboxes again...

What I need to do, but this thing doesn't really have high priority, is fix is with ResBuild (their reseditor), put loads of checks back in manually. Meanwhile, I do think I included Haettenschweiler in the download (not sure) ? Installing it should make it look a bit better...
 
12 Feb. 2003 - 18:54 twisted_steel
I checked Word, and it's there. When I bold something in Word, I get the same squished effect. Perhaps it has something to do with the font then.
 
12 Feb. 2003 - 19:16 plastic
Yeah, it's an Office font. Dunno if it helps, probably not, font I'm using is here (wasn't included). You've got clearview enabled for fonts ? Or some fonts set to bold at display properties/appearance/advanced (maybe from another theme) ?

Note: weakness of the theme also shows in the fact most font changes horribly break whole theme, until it's restarted...

Edit: eeeewww, yes, cleartype really messes up haettenschweiler...
 
12 Feb. 2003 - 19:35 twisted_steel
Ah, cleartype is the problem for certain. My only problem is I need it to be enabled to read everything my LOTR font that I use in Trillian. Alas ...
 
12 Feb. 2003 - 23:59 grindlestone
For all that it's a very nice style BTW. Clear vibrant and strong. Pleasant to use, esp. when compared to all the fuzzy grey/silver styles out there which are far to hard on the eyes (at least on my old monitor). One of the few that's really useable and attractive.
 
14 Feb. 2003 - 16:44 twentythree
I would like to know a lot more about this in fact because I am using XP styles to literally skin everything. It does have it's good points that is skins the Webview, but I do miss the whole idea of the "Classic" look, and I miss my old clean taskbar more than you could imagine :( I don't even use T-Clock2 anymore :(
 
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